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runtheball
03-29-2010, 11:04 AM
How do you guys deal with teams that do a great job wrongarming and spilling the ball to the sideline?

thanks

CoachPhillips
03-29-2010, 11:38 AM
We counter our opponent that wrong arms our bucksweep with what we call 21/29 Reach. It has proven to be very successful, especially against teams that like to run the 4-4. 4-4 teams love to crash that 7 tech and slam that OLB down inside as soon as he reads a down release by the TE/WB and of course the CB is not too far off the ball either unless you have removed him by going end over.

With 21/29 Release your TE arc releases and seals the PSLB. Your WB arc releases and runs up the hash to sideline. OLB's in a 4-4 scheme are taught not to give up their outside leverage so they end up fighting with the WB and most often chase them. Now your guards pull like waggle blocking. PSG pulls and logs that 7 tech DE. Your BSG pulls gets depth and leads the BC to the outside. Everything else stays the same as bucksweep. Only your guards, TE, and WB change assignments. We installed it against a solid 4-4 team in the playoffs and our BC's were actually following the OLB's down field (whom were chasing our WB). Its a nice adjustment to teams that are taking your buck away by crashing as soon as they read those down blocks. Hope this is helpful. I haven't heard of too many teams doing this so I am not for sure what response it will get.

WingRaid
03-29-2010, 12:08 PM
How do you guys deal with teams that do a great job wrongarming and spilling the ball to the sideline?

thanks

What about down option, belly option or midline. You can log the defender wrong-arming and get outside or run midline and place an inside defender (who turns their shoulders) in conflict and you could fan block the DE.

runtheball
03-29-2010, 01:04 PM
coach- we primarily are an option team, but was interested in how you would deal with a 9 techniqe wrongarming on down...
We have ran down and am considering incorporating down power as coach Lew J mentioned in an recent post.

thanks!!

bucksweep
03-29-2010, 01:18 PM
We counter our opponent that wrong arms our bucksweep with what we call 21/29 Reach. It has proven to be very successful, especially against teams that like to run the 4-4. 4-4 teams love to crash that 7 tech and slam that OLB down inside as soon as he reads a down release by the TE/WB and of course the CB is not too far off the ball either unless you have removed him by going end over.

With 21/29 Release your TE arc releases and seals the PSLB. Your WB arc releases and runs up the hash to sideline. OLB's in a 4-4 scheme are taught not to give up their outside leverage so they end up fighting with the WB and most often chase them. Now your guards pull like waggle blocking. PSG pulls and logs that 7 tech DE. Your BSG pulls gets depth and leads the BC to the outside. Everything else stays the same as bucksweep. Only your guards, TE, and WB change assignments. We installed it against a solid 4-4 team in the playoffs and our BC's were actually following the OLB's down field (whom were chasing our WB). Its a nice adjustment to teams that are taking your buck away by crashing as soon as they read those down blocks. Hope this is helpful. I haven't heard of too many teams doing this so I am not for sure what response it will get.

Interesting coach. I am going to draw it up and play with that a little.

CoachPhillips
03-29-2010, 10:15 PM
Coach, we had success using it. Our opponent was a tremendous 4-4 team whom we had defeated earlier in the year by a small margin. This caught them totally off guard in the playoffs and they didn't have an answer. It was our most productive play all night. I have the game tape and still remember seeing their OLB's hauling tail trying to catch our Wings who were sprinting down the sideline. After about 15 yards, they would finally realize they were being snowed. They would quickly turn around and our ballcarrier would just make a quick cut around him. The play ends up being a sweep that goes a little bit wider...you should hit it between the log block on the TE and the OLB running out of there. BSG is the escort.

lewjohnston
03-29-2010, 10:46 PM
Cecil: Genius.... pure genius! I LOVE it!
Blessings,
Lew

SDFBwingt
03-29-2010, 11:23 PM
We actually have a Team that tries this against us. We had really problems with it until we decided to run it up inside that DE & OLB.

We have our TE release inside the DE (to widen him) and take the OLB's inside shoulder and drive him to the sideline. Then, our WB slips down to the PS ILB. PST does his normal rule. PSG then pulls and kicks out the DE and BSG pulls up around followed by the Dive back.

This was great for us. They couldn't do anything to counter it. We kept hitting them with sweep, trap, and reverse. It tends to run tight into the C gap so the Dive back needs to work on cutting up quick in practice.

tampabay
03-30-2010, 01:08 PM
First I love the bucksweep adustment. Great stuff.

One thing, and I am not an expert, but for teams that want to wrong arm inside techs - the wham play can be good. For example if you are running OG trap, instead of trapping inside out with OG trap with your wing back from the outside in. Now when your PSG releases and the DT squeezes and looks inside to wrong arm he gets hit by the wing back from the other side. FB course is wider on Wham trap, you see spread teams do it vs 0 noses a lot. Just a thought.

scoultis
03-30-2010, 04:16 PM
Really agree w/ Tampa Bay here. The wham is a great concept. The wing is in an ideal position to block outside-in on a 1 tech/0 nose. Some teams don't run trap to a 1 tech b/c it wouldn't work w/ a guard. I think a great answer, as Tampa Bay said, is to run the Wham and let the wing block down on him. The teams I have seen use this concept usually put the wing in a short motion to get him closer to his block. And it goes w/o saying that the wing better be pretty physical to block an interior defensive lineman (although the d-lineman will probably have no clue he's about to get his clock cleaned). The teams I have seen use this concept are doing it w/ an h-back type.

-Sean Coultis
Varsity LB Coach Bolingbrook H.S. (IL)

runtheball
03-30-2010, 08:50 PM
Very interesting cocept!! Trap the nose with the wing!
Thanks!