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brad bishop
05-18-2014, 01:31 PM
Looking for advice for Quarterback Technique on Belly Keep and Keep Pass. Does the QB ride the Fullback into the hole with two hands on the ball, or is it a hand fake with ball on his hip. How long should the fullback delay? We have an excellent QB this year who played QB for the first time last year and he needs the ball in his hands more often.....thanks in advance for your help!!

Coachwoods
05-19-2014, 08:59 AM
Brad,

Since on the Belly play we want the FB getting the ball as deep as possible, we continue this with Belly Option (keep) and Keep Pass. With two hands on the ball (for us only time QB uses one handed handoff to FB is Trap), QB reverse pivots beyond midline, on second step meshes with FB (we make this an arms length handoff-meaning elbows are against the body QB/FB are the length of the elbow to hand away from each other);

Option (keep) - ride FB into line, pull ball and attack flank towards line of scrimmage.

Keep Pass - ride FB into line, pull ball and attack flank keeping depth.

We don't ask the FB to delay but rather teach steps that do that for us (this is for the cross block that is normally happening on the line). First step is left foot gaining only about a shoe size, then crossover step, keeping shoulders square to line and attack the line of scrimmage.

lewjohnston
05-19-2014, 11:02 AM
Coach Woods: On the fake and "ride" to the fullback... do you make your QB put the ball "all the way in"--- just like he'd have to do if he were going to hand it off??? OR... make a "point fake" where the tip of the ball is resting on the RB's near hip?
Thanks,
Lew

therman
05-19-2014, 11:46 AM
Coach, Please call me if you have any questions. 814-824-2269. therman@mercyhurst.edu Herm

187 BELLY CROSS BLOCK (CROSS BLOCK LEFT)

QB - Reverse pivot - Hand off to Fullback and Fake Keep Pass
1. Main concepts
A. You must get the ball to the Fullback as deep as possible.
B. You must step by him on your third step, so that, the FB has the ability to cut it back. You
cannot let your QB ride the FB into the LOS.
2. Footwork
A. On your first step, reverse pivot deep 45 degrees over the Midline with the ball in your stomach.
We expect your first step to be at least 12 inches over the Midline, with your feet pointed at a 45
degree angle . It is important to stomach the ball at this point because your back is to the LOS
and the Defense doesnt know where the ball is, at this point.
B. Your second step is also at a 45 degree angle, and you will reach the ball to the Fullback. The
hand-off will still be a forearms length hand off , but I am reaching now because I want to start
to mesh with the Fullback.
C. On your third step you will step behind the Fullback, as you give him the ball. It is very
important to step behind the Fullback on your third step or you will prevent the Fullback from
being able to wind it back, if the wind back inside or behind the Nose Guard is there. If you step
directly at the Fullback on your third step the Fullback will only be able to run straight ahead.
D. After you hand the ball off to the Fullback, you are going to immediately snap your hands up to
the carriage (The passing grip), as if you are going to throw the ball (showing Belly Keep Pass),
and attack the flank. You should attack the flank no deeper than 4 to 5 yards.
E. On your forth step, Dave McDonald coaches his QBs to flatten out and get their hips pointed
towards the sidelines, so they can get their hips pointed in the direction they want to throw to.
You do this so you can throw the arrow on your 5th step. If you dont get your hips turned on
your forth step and they are pointed back, it is impossible to throw the arrow route on your 5th
step on Keep Pass. This is important because the flat route happens so quickly.
Getting your hips turned to the sidelines is even more important for a right handed QB, when we are running Keep pass to the right. Now you can rise up on your forth step, you are right off the FBs heels, and you can throw the arrow route on your forth step. We over coach the 3rd and 4rth steps because they are so critical in the positive execution of Cross Block and Keep Pass.
3. Even though it is a run, your eyes should find the secondary, as soon as possible. If you know how
the secondary is rotating vs. Belly action. It will help you to better understand where to throw the
ball when Keep Pass is called.

RH - Leave in Early Motion, Fake 89 Keep Pass Block at Cutoff

FB - Ball Carrier Lead Step, Cross Over, Plant, Receive Handoff, bend path for inside leg of Left
Tackle Read Defensive Tackles block, select opening.
1. Basic Coaching points for the Fullback
A. We want the Fullbacks steps to be very deliberate. We tell him to be deliberate, have rhythm, and be patient.
B. This is not a play where we want the Fullback to smack up into the LOS as fast as possible.
C. The basic concept of this play is that, both the FB and the QB must understand that we want to get the ball to the Fullback as deep in the backfield as possible.
D. We expect our FBs shoulders to remain square to the LOS during all phases of his foot work.
F. The other thing that staying deep on your first three steps does, is that, it allows the left Half Back to get up in front of the Fullback, and lead him through the hole.
G. Your read is the front side tackles tail

LH - Step Out Dive for Left Tackles Tail, Block the 1st Linebacker From the Center (You must understand the concept of staying tight to your Tackles block)
1. Footwork
On the snap take a Fire Step (Step up and out with your left foot), and you are going to read the
block of the tackle. You are going to stay as tight to the tackles butt as you can.

189 KEEP PASS (KEEP PASS LEFT)
RH - Leave in Early motion, Log the first free man at the Flank

LH - Sprint to the Flat, Look immediately
1. Pick a point on the sidelines, 4-5 yards deep and run a straight line to it, then look for the ball.

QB - Fake Belly and Sprint to the Flat, Execute Run/Pass Option
1. Footwork
A. Your first 2 steps are the same as Belly XB. Reverse pivot 45 degrees over the Midline on
your first step.
B. On your second step, reach the ball to the Fullback.
C. On your third step, begin to open your hips up, just tickle the Fullback with the ball and get
your eyes on the Flank. Do not ride the Fullback with the Ball. On your third step, you still
step to the heels of the Fullback and work behind him. Remember, the main reason we step to
the heels of the fullback is so the Fullback can wind it back, but if you dont step to the FBs
heels on the third step it is to hard for you to get your hips turned to the sidelines on your forth
step. This is important for the QB, when we run Keep Pass, to execute this on your third step.
D. On your forth step, flatten out and get your hips pointed towards the sidelines, so you can get
your hips pointed at your target faster. You do this so you can throw the arrow on your 5th
step. If you dont get your hips turned on your forth step and they are pointed back, it is
impossible to throw the arrow route on your 5th step. This is important because the flat route
happens so quickly.
On your forth step, the ball is up in your throwing circle. As you come off the fake, if the
LH is open, you want to think about giving him the ball right now (5th step. If the QB waits to
long to give the LH the ball, he ends up catching the ball 2 yards from the sidelines and cant do
anything, but run out of bounds with the ball.
Getting our hips turned to the sidelines is even more important for a right handed QB, when
we are running Keep pass to the right. Now you can rise up on your forth step, you are right off
the FBs heels, and you can throw the arrow route on your forth step.
E. You should be no deeper than 5 yards. When we practice Keep Pass we always begin on a
5 yard stripe. Therefore, after the QB meshes with the FB and he is sprinting to the sidelines,
he should be no deeper than the next 5 yard stripe.
F. When Dave McDonald teaches Belly Keep Pass footwork to the QBs he always stresses the
following points. If you are running 81 Keep Pass (Keep Pass Right)
i. Take the same first two steps at a 45degree angle you take on Belly.
ii. On your third step, you must step at the heels of the FB, but it is also important to flatten out
your third step and point your left foot to the sidelines (some use the phrase, you must wrap
your third step around the FB). This is the most important coaching point used to get your
hips pointed towards the Flat Route. If you get your third step to flattened out you will be able
to rise up on four and throw the ball to the flat more accurately. If, on your third step, you
dont get your foot to flatten up, you will never be able to get rid of the ball on your 4rth step.
iii. Throw the Flat Route to your RH on your fourth step
iv. Throw the Come Back on your 6th step. Throw the Come back on the run while you are
attacking the LOS.
2. Coaching Points.
A. Make a token fake to the Fullback
B. Gerry Gallagher says that Keep pass for him is a Sprint out Pass with a quick fake to the
Fullback.
C. John DOttavio always said that Keep Pass was like an option play, only you were throwing the
ball forward.
C. If you have a Halfback in front of you with nobody to block yell go. You have a personal
escort, take off and run.

FB - Fake 87 Cross Block, Check Backer, Hook out at 6 yards
1. Foot Work
A. Same as Belly Cross Block
2. Coaching points
A. Fake cross block left, and check the first LB.
B. If he rushes the QB, you block him.

Coachwoods
05-20-2014, 07:16 PM
Coach Woods: On the fake and "ride" to the fullback... do you make your QB put the ball "all the way in"--- just like he'd have to do if he were going to hand it off??? OR... make a "point fake" where the tip of the ball is resting on the RB's near hip?
Thanks,
Lew


Coach Lew,

On Option we do have him ride with the ball in the "pocket" but with keep pass we let him flash it to the hip.

Coach Herman,

Much better explanation than mine.

lewjohnston
05-20-2014, 10:37 PM
Thanks Coach! That's a "confirmation" for me!!!
Blessings,
Lew

Roger71
05-20-2014, 11:59 PM
We have taught on the Belly and Down Pass for the QB to place the ball on the near hip and then roll the ball out by turning his wrists 90 degrees and pulling the ball back to his 3rd hand (his stomach). We tell him to "Set The Hook" by making a great fake. As he sets the hook we have told him to get his eyes on the LB'er to help on the fake. Certainly the fullback has a role to play in selling the fake.

Roger71
05-21-2014, 12:06 AM
We have taught on the Belly and Down Pass for the QB to place the ball on the near hip and then roll the ball out by turning his wrists 90 degrees and pulling the ball back to his 3rd hand (his stomach). We tell him to "Set The Hook" by making a great fake. As he sets the hook we have told him to get his eyes on the LB'er to help on the fake. Certainly the fullback has a role to play in selling the fake.

james
05-21-2014, 10:50 AM
We give the FB a full ride before sprinting out, just like Belly or Belly Sweep. In our opinion, it adds to the deception. Additionally, we have our QB making his first read during the ride. He reads the flat defender. If the flat defender jumps belly or Rocket motion, then we hit the flats now. If he sits or drops, we look deep.