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  1. Default Attacking a Tough Nost tackle

    You are facing an odd defense where they have a very big - tough NT who will take both A gaps and is taught to blow up the center and take him back 2 yards to cut off the guards....what do you do vs this situation?

    Thanks ahead of time for your thoughts.

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    Coach
    Here are some ideas:
    1. One of the things is to put your best linemen at center.
    -However, let say you have no good offensive linemen.

    2. Then you are going to have to double him most of the time.
    -This is not too much of a problem except you are going to find yourself running to a TE side a lot in order to have enough men to double him and still block the play. One of the ways to reduce this tendency is to put two tight formations into your game plan.

    3. Use unbalanced formations and see if he moves with the unbalanced.
    If he does not then doubling him will work. If he does then doubling him with the tackle and guard would happen.

    4. if this is not a possibility then you may try midline and read him.-

    Coach what if we do not run option?

    5. Wrong Step the center
    If he is taking both A gaps then he is reading the first step of the center. I have never done this, but having the center wrong step on plays would essentially have him going to the wrong A gap to defend and making him easier to block by default.

    6. No huddle and use tempo to wear him down.
    -1st half he might be ok, but 2nd half he might be very tired.

    7. Scoop block him with the BSG and Center.
    -Worry about your legs getting taking out has an effect on DL. Just watch Navy/Air Force and Army each saturday.

    Good Luck
    Coach Wright

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    To comment on #5 - Wrong Stepping the Center on a Two Gap NG

    I've never told a guy to do this (honestly we don't see many two gap kids in our area, so we don't have need to). I did however, know a center who encountered this first hand and employed this strategy. The NG he was playing was a two gap guy and was killing him in the first half, so in the second half he started wrong stepping him, almost out of desperation. Said this was the only thing all night that messed with him and gave him a fighting chance in the second half.

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    Come out unbalanced & the defense should over shift. At least the nose is no longer on the center & you can try to run away from him.

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    We would use our FB Wham play and trap him with our slot coming in motion. The OC and BSG would block the LB backside. With the center stepping backside it usually sets up an easy block for the slot. The PSG would block the playside LB the PST blocks the 5 tech. We usually run it from trips to the SE side to induce a walkaway adjustmeny by the OLB. The FB takes Quick Belly steps which is a lateral step then crossover for the outside leg of the PSG. The QB reverse pivots 6" over the midline and evens up the 2nd step 6" over and not as deep as his Belly path would be, then boots away.

    We don't use 2 backs in the backfield much but when we did we would run Counter Short and trap the nose with the PST outside in....almost the same priciple as the wham. Wing Right frm or Delaware's 100 frm. OC block right as above on backside LB with the BSG...or BSG block out/odd block and fold RT underneath. PSG(LG) block out on the 5 tech. FB, crossover step for the LG outside foot and iso PSLB. PST inside trap on the nose. QB execute Belly counter steps= 1st step short of midline, 2nd step 45 over the inside HO to LH(Diveback). LH= BC...rock out, drop step w/ inside foot, crossover with outside foot for inside foot of PSG. We would bring the RH across on Jet motion to protect C gap area and the HO. QB executes Counter Boot technique= look back for 2 steps and attack the flank.

    Both of these should slow down the nose if he doesn't know where the block/trap is coming from.

    Rich Erdelyi
    Carnegie Mellon University

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    we would run beely tan ( tackle attack nose) have center reach rt and go to lber left guard block out on the tackles man -tackle pull and trap nose the other option is the bear and bull set . in my opinion the problem is no dbling the nose- its when the lead man on the dbl has to chip up to next level by doing bear and bull you can bury him on the dble team. The last option is very similar - we use erdilys slide motion - the slide man is an extra blocker just like bear and bull this allows you to bury him on the dble team ( if 2 men can't block 1 you wont win anywaay)

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    Default Mess with him early!!!!

    If you can do things early to him maybe you get him to think - the he will hopefully start to think and slow him down.

    If you go unbalanced and he moves - run guard trap and trap the heck out of him. If he is a true nose then he probably doesnt work on trap blocks, wrong arm etc.

    Triple him with both guards and run midline!

    We also run Belly Cat (cat is our terminolgy for C & T) we fan out with our PSG and bring our PST under to double the nose - have your tackle legally come down and hit him as hard as he can!

    Run a middle screen of some type - if you can hit this with him driving off the ball the way he is - this would be a play that could get into his head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Erdelyi
    We would use our FB Wham play and trap him with our slot coming in motion.
    Rich Erdelyi
    Carnegie Mellon University
    Alright, I've seen this play in your CMU playbook. Sounds good, but that block by a WB on a NG makes me nervous. It just seems like an unusual block for a WB to make in the middle of the offensive line.

    Any coaching points to make that block easier? Or, maybe it is just an issue in MY mind.

    Thanks.
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    We have used the Wham Block over the past 5 years vs. a team that slants their NT to the TE side. The center is now free to playside step for the Belly to the FB on the SE Flank. We have him block the LB'er. The left slot man is brought in Jet motion and the ball is snapped as he hits the inside leg of the tackle and he then (like a pulling guard) will take an inside out approach and trap the NT. He does not see the back coming. We don't do it often, but it has worked real well when we do it.

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    You must always answer the question "WHO"? when putting or planning to run any play, series, pass whatever. Who do I have that can perform the techniques necessary to have success. I brought this play back after not running it for several years because I had a 6'1 215 lb HB who played TE and OLB in a great program in NJ...Atlantic City HS coached by Bobby Weiss. Jon Cakert was a great down blocker on Bk Swp and a hardnosed Ftb player. We brought him in motion from the wing and snapped the ball when he was in B gap. He was coming flat like Jet motion, then went into the line on an angle like a guard on a trap...just outside in instead of inside out. Remember the NG does not see him coming since he is usually reading the OC who is going away from the wham. We now have a similar player, Kyle Irish, from Seminole Ridge HS in FLA. We had Kyle for 4 years in a private camp that we did for coach Matt Dickmann at Seminole and he fits what we need to perform this task.

    Most of our wings like doing this because they can light up someone who's not expecting to be hit like this. You must coach the wham back to read the play of the NG on the OC. If he simply will not let the OC climb or slants away, the wham back must be taught to climb to the 2nd level and block the BSLB. All these blocks must be above the waist. You should also alert the officials before the game that you use this play...especially the umpire.

    We teach the angle of attack on a spacing tape during our blocking period with the backs. You should work both gap technique...head across the bow and inside shoulder/ head upfield technique. We would do this against stand up dummies first and then against shields with the coach indicating the charge/technique of the NG he wants.

    Rich Erdelyi
    Carnegie Mellon University

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