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    When playing an odd defense, wwe have gotten away from the the normal rules- tackle blocks on and guard pulls around to kick out DE- and tried belly iso - double on the nose and the tackle blocks on- with mixed success. I have been saying that we ahould go back to the basics and have the FB read the C's block , but the other coaches are worried about someone blowing the front A gap. Any thoughts?

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    We try to crossblock if at possible, because often times we can't get a good 'on' block from our tackle. We have brainwashed our kids into thinking they can block anybody on the planet if they have a blocking angle so we are always trying to crossblock. Vs a 5tech we try to bring the tackle down to the first ILB(this really helps with the front A gap), kick out the 5 with the guard and run the halfback to the stacked backer. If it is a 4 tech who is pinching, we will block him down inside and kick the DE or OLB if it is a stack. If he doesn't pinch we will crossblock him.

    The thing that gives us problems is when we see a NG who our center can't handle. In which case we try to cut him.

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    I like the x block on the 5tech and the LB.
    For the nose, Creehan teaches that the FB should read the C's block and if the N beats the C to the frontside, the FB cuts behind. We've never tried it, but it makes sense

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    I wish I had fullbacks who have that kind of vision and quickness to be able to make that kind of cut. If the nose comes flat then he "might" have a chance, but it will be tough.

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    I have fan blocked it out of red/blue. Most always faking rocket or jet.

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    Coach
    Step one: ESTABLISH FLOW
    -An effective flank attack weakens the main front of the defense because they have to now recruit defenders from the main front in order to defend their flanks.
    - this also has the defenders flowing side to to side thus making it easier to run at them.

    Step two: Zone iso
    -We are going to zone block belly, so that we can get 2 on the nose and still take care of overhang.
    -it allows for TWO DOIBLE TEAMS. PSG/PST double 4or 5 tech to PSLBER. C/BSG double the NG to the BSLBER.
    Doubles eliminate slanting possibilities and most important the need for cutback etc. Zone is all about vertical displacement and 2 on 1 allows that to happen. We have our FB hug the doubles and push the play vertical all of the time.

    Step three: Use of deception.
    -we will use no mo belly, but this means there is always a BELLYSWEEP fake happening along with the belly. This places some doubt in the mind of all defenders and the very idea that on one down the DL is being blocked straight on and then another time there are getting blocked down. This is accompanied with a fake to both flanks and FB off tackle. Sometimes he has it and sometimes he does not.

    Special notes:
    I have noticed that when we have the threat of outside run with the Belly it makes so much more effective of a play and easier to block. Simple defensive evolution was to twist/slant and stunt to defeat man blocking schemes thus the birth of zone blocking schemes. We have done it this way going on 6 years now and this virtually eliminates the fear of defensive stunting.
    Good luck
    Coach Wright

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWright
    Coach
    Step one: ESTABLISH FLOW
    -An effective flank attack weakens the main front of the defense because they have to now recruit defenders from the main front in order to defend their flanks.
    - this also has the defenders flowing side to to side thus making it easier to run at them.

    Step two: Zone iso
    -We are going to zone block belly, so that we can get 2 on the nose and still take care of overhang.
    -it allows for TWO DOIBLE TEAMS. PSG/PST double 4or 5 tech to PSLBER. C/BSG double the NG to the BSLBER.
    Doubles eliminate slanting possibilities and most important the need for cutback etc. Zone is all about vertical displacement and 2 on 1 allows that to happen. We have our FB hug the doubles and push the play vertical all of the time.

    Step three: Use of deception.
    -we will use no mo belly, but this means there is always a BELLYSWEEP fake happening along with the belly. This places some doubt in the mind of all defenders and the very idea that on one down the DL is being blocked straight on and then another time there are getting blocked down. This is accompanied with a fake to both flanks and FB off tackle. Sometimes he has it and sometimes he does not.

    Special notes:
    I have noticed that when we have the threat of outside run with the Belly it makes so much more effective of a play and easier to block. Simple defensive evolution was to twist/slant and stunt to defeat man blocking schemes thus the birth of zone blocking schemes. We have done it this way going on 6 years now and this virtually eliminates the fear of defensive stunting.
    Good luck
    Coach Wright
    Coach Wright, 2 questions on that if you don't mind.

    A - Do you ever have an issue of the NG beating your Center in the FS A gap (Belly Side A gap) with blocking it that way? Generally, we always send our PSG down to the NG because we are a little weary of that happening but it makes it tough for us to get numbers on Belly to the weakside.

    B - With the C/BSG and the PST/PSG double team are they true "zone double" meaning those two have those two however the LB plays. For example, if the LB to the FS plays inside the PSG comes off and if the LB to the FS plays outside the PST scrapes off?

    Thanks coach!

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    Kevin
    1. Yes we have had the NG shoot front side A gap. However, we are not concerned with angles. We are rather more concern with getting VERTICAL DISPLACEMENT. That push is the key.
    2. The WB is responsible for front side LBER. So the PST or PSG do not have to come off of the double at all. This the beauty of the sscheme, thus taking away the slanting and stunting you would normally see by a odd front. Overhang is taken care of by the establishment of flow and or bellyswebelly sweep fake around the edge.
    Good Luck
    Coach Wright

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    Default Belly vs Odd

    We like the Iso concept, running it to a 3 man surface (Spread 100 or Tight 100). We also like to go unbalanced with 2 TE's and run it to the 4 man surface.

    Using multiple formations and fast tempo huddle breaks has helped also.

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    We would fold block it. OG would kick out the 5, the OT would block the LB (MLB in a 3-3 type of front) and HB would lead up.

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