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    I've been out of coaching for a year and have been thinking what I would do if I was an OC again. I'm a wing guy, always will be. I did toy with running some of our stuff from the gun my last 2 seasons We ran TE /wing , WR/Slot. What I would call Gun Red/Blue TB went away from the TE/Wing and the slot widened out. I'm think about using those formations and a Trey version. I know Coach E ran some of this a CMU.

    What would you all run?
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    Chris Cuomo
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    East Haven High School
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    Coach, we've run a decent amount of those two formations the last two years and he's what we've done out of them run game wise.

    Strong
    1. Bucksweep (F & Q)
    2. Trap (F & Q)
    3. QB Down (Catch & Run)
    4. Counter Trey - Off Jet Motion

    Weak
    1. Jet Sweep
    2. QB Belly
    3. QB Counter - Off Sweep Action

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    I loved both of these formations because we could run Buck Sweep from both with a Hitch/Fade to the single receiver or Bubble to the Twins as RPO's. We had a great play action game from Twins as well as a great Sprint Pkg and a great Quick Game and Drop Back game from the Trips.

    From the Trips we ran Buck Sweep strong and I loved it vs. Cov2 teams because they didn't support that flank too well. We ran Jet and Belly Slide weak. We had a great Quick Pass game with blocking 5 and putting 5 out. We had a fine drop back game(3 step after the snap=5 step drop)with 4 out. This usually got us a LB on our dive back on a wheel in our Far Hook pattern and as a crosser in our 49er pass pattern. If I was still coaching and my QB was a runner I would run Joker(Ctr Trey) to both flanks and possibly a QB wham with the wing whamming the 3 tech or nose and QB faking Buck. Gronk whammed a nose last week!

    From the Twins we ran Buck Sweep strong and faked Jet Flip strong and ran a FB Down play behind it. We never really greased that one up very well. We ran Belly Slide/ Bubble to the Twins flank as well as Slide Bubble/Go. We ran Jet and QB Jet Belly and Buck XX to that flank. With that same motion we used the slide back to log the flank and had a great Sprint game running Curl/Flat with the twins and Curl/Wheel with the TE running Drag. If I were still coaching I'd run a scissors to the slide back and a Joker or Draw to the FB off the same motion. I would add a Quick game to the twins (Hitch/Seam) off the Belly Slide motion and a Quick Game to the Twins (Double Slant) with a FB flare. Our play action to the Buck Sweep side was excellent with Buck Sweep Throwback when the SS was coming downhill or Buck Sweep Keep Pass when the corner was forcing the issue.

    If I were still coaching I'd run a waggle off of both looks and also a Shovel Pass weak to the wing. This is only limited by your imagination so let it run wild! I would always have an under center plan but would probably expand my Gun formations to include my tackles over (Rip/Liz) package.

    As always write or call if I can help.

    Rich Erdelyi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Erdelyi View Post
    I loved both of these formations because we could run Buck Sweep from both with a Hitch/Fade to the single receiver or Bubble to the Twins as RPO's. We had a great play action game from Twins as well as a great Sprint Pkg and a great Quick Game and Drop Back game from the Trips.

    From the Trips we ran Buck Sweep strong and I loved it vs. Cov2 teams because they didn't support that flank too well. We ran Jet and Belly Slide weak. We had a great Quick Pass game with blocking 5 and putting 5 out. We had a fine drop back game(3 step after the snap=5 step drop)with 4 out. This usually got us a LB on our dive back on a wheel in our Far Hook pattern and as a crosser in our 49er pass pattern. If I was still coaching and my QB was a runner I would run Joker(Ctr Trey) to both flanks and possibly a QB wham with the wing whamming the 3 tech or nose and QB faking Buck. Gronk whammed a nose last week!

    From the Twins we ran Buck Sweep strong and faked Jet Flip strong and ran a FB Down play behind it. We never really greased that one up very well. We ran Belly Slide/ Bubble to the Twins flank as well as Slide Bubble/Go. We ran Jet and QB Jet Belly and Buck XX to that flank. With that same motion we used the slide back to log the flank and had a great Sprint game running Curl/Flat with the twins and Curl/Wheel with the TE running Drag. If I were still coaching I'd run a scissors to the slide back and a Joker or Draw to the FB off the same motion. I would add a Quick game to the twins (Hitch/Seam) off the Belly Slide motion and a Quick Game to the Twins (Double Slant) with a FB flare. Our play action to the Buck Sweep side was excellent with Buck Sweep Throwback when the SS was coming downhill or Buck Sweep Keep Pass when the corner was forcing the issue.

    If I were still coaching I'd run a waggle off of both looks and also a Shovel Pass weak to the wing. This is only limited by your imagination so let it run wild! I would always have an under center plan but would probably expand my Gun formations to include my tackles over (Rip/Liz) package.

    As always write or call if I can help.

    Rich Erdelyi
    Thanks for the reply coach. My mind is running now!!!
    Chris Cuomo
    Offensive Coordinator
    East Haven High School
    East Haven, CT

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    Coach Erdelyi,

    Can you diagram how your Rip/Liz set would look out of the Gun?

    Also, when you say you'd run Waggle out of both looks would you pull both of the G's as traditional Waggle or would you adjust it to account for not having the FB fill the A/B gap area before he ran his fake?

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    I wish knew how to draw or insert...someday I'll learn

    TE/OG weak OC/RG/RT/LT/ with twins to the right puts stress on the 2 deep defense and may give you 6 on 6. We'd have TE/wing to the short side; QB and FB as your 2 backs behind the OC and RT. As you know we were a Buck/Jet/Belly team and this formation gives us all of them. We would have Buck Sweep Weak with the Bubble backside so no added teaching. Plus this formation gives us our Blast play with the LH being the Slide/Kick-out man so we'd have a power to the strong side. Auburn used this formation with Cam Newton and faked Jet to the Twins, Kicked out with the FB, pulled the BSG and ran Power. This put great stress on the 9 tech.

    As to your 2nd question on Waggle, we'd try to pull both guards with the PST down, PSG logging the 5 etc. I would fake to the dive back and reverse the QB to get him depth. This all looks good on paper and I've seen teams do it but we never did so I'm not claiming anything. We did fool with Rip Gun but I used it as a Wildcat look and used the QB as the Twin. We ran a reverse pass off of it with the Jet back pitching it back to the QB. We ran it once and it was intercepted as the receiver tipped the ball back to the defender not catching it clean.

    Merry Christmas to all.

    Rich Erdelyi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Erdelyi View Post
    I wish knew how to draw or insert...someday I'll learn

    TE/OG weak OC/RG/RT/LT/ with twins to the right puts stress on the 2 deep defense and may give you 6 on 6. We'd have TE/wing to the short side; QB and FB as your 2 backs behind the OC and RT. As you know we were a Buck/Jet/Belly team and this formation gives us all of them. We would have Buck Sweep Weak with the Bubble backside so no added teaching. Plus this formation gives us our Blast play with the LH being the Slide/Kick-out man so we'd have a power to the strong side. Auburn used this formation with Cam Newton and faked Jet to the Twins, Kicked out with the FB, pulled the BSG and ran Power. This put great stress on the 9 tech.

    As to your 2nd question on Waggle, we'd try to pull both guards with the PST down, PSG logging the 5 etc. I would fake to the dive back and reverse the QB to get him depth. This all looks good on paper and I've seen teams do it but we never did so I'm not claiming anything. We did fool with Rip Gun but I used it as a Wildcat look and used the QB as the Twin. We ran a reverse pass off of it with the Jet back pitching it back to the QB. We ran it once and it was intercepted as the receiver tipped the ball back to the defender not catching it clean.

    Merry Christmas to all.

    Rich Erdelyi
    Coach is this how you would draw it up?
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    Exactly. This gives us Jet both ways; Buck/Bubble; Belly Slide/Bubble and Bubble-Go; as well as a power side since we would have our 3 biggest linemen next to each other so we could run our Blast play and fake Jet/QB power. With our slide motion we'd have our sprint out game to the Twins with the slide back being the log man.

    This would be a headache for Cov2 teams since they would need to remove an LB to account for the Twins and we still have 2 eligibles to the short side. With 6 on 6 any Zone, Power, Belly Slide, Zone Read would give us an advantage.

    Rich Erdelyi

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